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[♪ eerie music playing]

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[Bob Keppel] There was no denying
that Ted Bundy had knowledge

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and a point of view that no one else did.

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[Bob Keppel] Now was the time
to play to his fragile ego

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and make him feel respected.

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Could the great Ted Bundy
actually have valuable insights

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into the Riverman?

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[clicking]

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[♪ tense music playing]

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[reporter] We have
almost two dozen young women dead,

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the victims of the Green River Killer.

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[William Birnes]
The whole premise was using one killer

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to catch another killer.

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It had never been done before.

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And that became
The Silence of the Lambs.

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[♪ tense music playing]

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[♪ tense music continues]

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Less than six hours from now,

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accused mass murderer Ted Bundy
is scheduled to be executed

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in a Florida prison.

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[♪ intense music playing]

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[♪ dark, tense music playing]

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[Bob Keppel] Strange as it was,

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Ted Bundy and I were hunting
for the Green River Killer

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who targeted prostitutes
and earned his nickname

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by dumping his first five victims
in the Green River near Seattle.

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-[insects chirring]
-[water lapping]

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As of November 1984,
42 women had either been found dead

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or were missing and presumed dead,

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all of them allegedly
Green River Killer victims.

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The discovery of each new body
felt like a gut punch.

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And the latest victim,
Martina Authorlee,

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had been found
only three days earlier.

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We finally caught a break when
Melvyn Foster showed up on our radar.

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[♪ tense music playing]

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[prison door buzzing]

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[reporter] For nearly a month now,

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undercover officers
have been stationed in this area

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keeping a 24-hour watch
on Melvyn Foster

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who lives just up the road from here.

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[Dave Reichert] We began to work
on the tips that were coming in.

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And one day, a call comes in,

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and, uh, it was Melvyn Foster.

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And Melvyn said that he could help us.

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And he said, "Well,
I have some experience in these things."

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He says, "Yes, I-- I work as a cab driver.

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I know the streets.
I know all the people out there."

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[♪ tense, suspenseful music playing]

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And then we ask him about
the first victims that were found,

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and, uh, he denied knowing any of 'em.

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But later, as we start talking,

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he knows Marcia Chapman,

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he knows Cynthia Hinds,
he knows Opal Mills,

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he knows Debra Bonner,
he knows Wendy Coffield.

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[Bob Keppel] Foster became a suspect

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because he drove his taxi
up and down Pacific Highway South,

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which had an active prostitution strip.

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He also looked promising

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because he had
served time in prison for auto theft.

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The media was eager for a suspect
to serve up on the evening news,

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and Foster was happy to oblige.

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Did you kill all those women or what?

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No, but I wish I did.

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I wish I did know who did.

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[Bob Keppel] Foster failed a polygraph,

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and he had no alibi
for any of the murders.

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Bundy had thoughts
about Foster, of course.

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[Bob Keppel] Bundy had learned a lot
about police procedures.

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He suspected we'd search Foster's home
and vehicles for hairs and fibers,

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the kind of physical evidence
missing from our Ted investigation.

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[reporter] Nearly 60 police officers
launched a massive search

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of Melvyn Foster's home.

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King County police took several pieces
of women's clothing from Foster's house,

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items which Foster says
belonged to his deceased mother.

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[Bob Keppel] The search didn't turn up
anything conclusive.

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It almost seemed like,
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that he-- he wanted to
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that he kind of craved,
uh, the attention, that it was exciting.

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[Bob Keppel] I felt the last thing
the Green River Killer would want

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was any public attention,

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and here was Foster
giving one interview after another.

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[Melvyn Foster] They couldn't have
found their butt with both hands.

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Instead, they chose to-- to squander

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in excess
of a quarter of a million dollars,

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looking at the wrong guy

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while girls 60 miles away
are being snatched up

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and losing their lives.

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[Bob Keppel] Foster's behavior was odd,

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but there was no hard evidence
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so we ruled him out.

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[Bob Keppel] We were no closer
to finding the Green River Killer.

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One of the biggest struggles in this case
was the-- the doubt

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that the media actually, uh, created
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about whether or not we even cared.

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[reporter]
The scene has become sickeningly familiar

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in the last two years.

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The US Prostitutes Collective
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have criticized police,

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saying that because most of the victims
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no one has been
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[Katie Larson] We had a very contentious
relationship with the press.

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I understand that
the media has a job to do,

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but unfortunately, they got in the way
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[Bob Keppel]
Reporters descended on Seattle,

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searching for Green River Killer news.

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The news stations were so determined
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they blew our cover

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on the first and most important
Green River surveillance.

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[helicopter whirring]

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[Larson] And we're trying to do
a surveillance and the word got out,

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and so then we have
the media overhead in a helicopter.

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So, we did fight
with information being leaked

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and stymieing
what we had wanted to do.

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[Birnes] When the news goes public
with something like that,

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you're not just telling the public
what's happening.

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You know who else you're telling
what's happening?

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The serial killer.

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[Bob Keppel] I believed
our first Green River surveillance

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could've identified the killer,

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if not for the media's interference.

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We were at a dead end.

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I had nothing to lose by asking Bundy
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and maybe he'd reveal
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I asked him how he thought the Riverman
was getting rid of physical evidence.

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[Bob Keppel] By now, Ted knew

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we were asking questions
about the Riverman's methods of operation

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that resembled his own.

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[♪ dark, tense music playing]

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Bundy was known
for leaving his victims naked.

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[Bob Keppel] Bundy was shedding light
onto what he did with his victims,

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while also giving us
a lead about the Riverman.

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Since Ted was opening up,

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it was time to see
if he could really help us.

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[Ted chuckles]

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[♪ dark music playing]

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[Bob Keppel] Bundy said
he had some strange ideas

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about catching the Green River Killer.

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I got my poker face ready
for what Ted Bundy considered strange.

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[Bob Keppel] Ted turned to stare at me
with a look in his eyes that said,

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"Are you believing this [bleep]?"

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[Louis Schlesinger] When you listen to
his explanation of serial sexual murder,

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he relies heavily on--
on blaming pornography for it.

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He was a victim of pornography.

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He was a normal person
until society corrupted him.

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None of that is true,

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but that's what he--
Bundy wants people to believe.

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Keep in mind:
Bundy is a pathological liar.

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[♪ dramatic tense music playing]

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[Bob Keppel]
Bundy would call his next idea strange.

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I considered it
the most preposterous idea I'd ever heard.

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[tape recorder whirring]

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[♪ ominous music playing]

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Serial sexual murder
is a fusion of sex and aggression,

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so that the aggressive act itself
is eroticized.

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It's looking at a woman
in a subservient position,

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tied up, with violence around her,

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and that attracts them like a magnet.

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[distant siren wailing]

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[Ted Bundy speaking]

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[♪ dark music playing]

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[Bob Keppel] Dave was so astonished
by what Ted was proposing,

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he accidentally knocked
the tape recorder off the table.

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[Ted laughing]

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[Bob Keppel] What I didn't tell him
was that his idea was illegal.

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If we caught the Riverman this way,

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we couldn't show probable cause

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based on the killer's attendance
at a slasher film festival.

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It was time for a new tactic.

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I knew a well-placed yawn
might have him trying harder to please.

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Did he have insights as good
as the one about what the Riverman did

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with his victim's clothing?

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[♪ tense, suspenseful music playing]

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[Katherine Ramsland]
They wanted Bundy to think,

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" You're not that important to us."

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They, "But, you know,
we'll give you some latitude

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and see, what-- you know, if you have
something that would be helpful."

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[Bob Keppel] All it took was a yawn
and I had Ted back on track.

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He was offering a plausible strategy

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and getting closer
to details of his own murders.

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[Bob Keppel] He was certain
the Green River Killer would return

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to his dump sites,

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because that's exactly what he had done

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over and over again.

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[♪ dramatic tense music playing]

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[Ramsland] Bundy had placed
several remains in Issaquah, were three,

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and then four near Taylor Mountain,

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which suggested
these sites meant something to him.

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And they were hoping, when he talked
about the Riverman's dump sites,

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he would be revealing
why his own dump sites were important.

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[Bob Keppel] If we could go back in time,
what would we have seen

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if we had staked out
Ted's dump site at Taylor Mountain?

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[♪ dark music playing]

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[film strip whirring]

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[Steven Winn] When the
Taylor Mountain site was discovered,

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it was Lynda Healy, Susan Rancourt,

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Brenda Ball, and Kathleen Parks.

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The fact that they were all there
on the same site

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meant that the killer's returning
with remains from different killings

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and going back to the same site.

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[♪ dark, eerie music playing]

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[Roger Dunn] At Taylor Mountain,
they were just skulls.

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There was no fatal injury marks
on any of the skulls.

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[camera clicks]

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We didn't have any long bones
to go along with 'em.

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And that was a mystery for quite a while.

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[Bob Keppel]
Bundy and the Green River Killer

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shared a common fascination

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with their victims' corpses.

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[♪ dark music playing]

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[Bob Keppel] Even though Ted
never said it directly,

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by suggesting
the crime scene surveillance,

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I think he believed
the Riverman was a necrophiliac.

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I wanted to see
if he would say the word out loud.

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[♪ dark, eerie music playing]

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[Dr. Mary Ellen O'Toole]
Necrophilia:

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you're sexually aroused when you go back
and you have sex with a corpse.

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Bundy was talking in the third person,
that was just, uh, obvious to us.

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And-- and so, therefore knew that

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those things that
he was talking about the Riverman doing,

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that he had most likely done himself.

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[Bob Keppel]
I knew from post-mortem reports

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that Ted was also a necrophiliac.

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[♪ dark, ominous music playing]

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And now he knew we knew that.

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[Dr. Peter Salerno]
When it comes to necrophilia,

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oftentimes,
it's really more about control,

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and power, and humiliation,
and punishment.

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They enjoy being able
to engage in those behaviors

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without anybody
being able to stop them.

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[Birnes]
Bundy killed to get a sex partner.

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The killing wasn't the highest point
of his life.

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The sexual activity after death
was the highest point of his life.

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I knew Bundy was evil,
I just didn't know how evil.

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[♪ dark, ominous music continues]

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[Bob Keppel] The only thing Ted
felt bad about was getting caught,

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but he'd shut down if I challenged him.

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I was also sure
that the Riverman felt no remorse

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based on how he had
desecrated his victims' bodies.

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[camera clicks]

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The Green River Killer placed rocks
inside the vaginas of some of his victims,

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uh, particularly the early victims
that were found in the Green River.

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[water lapping]

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[Larson] Many of the victims
seemed to be posed,

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legs spread apart,
uh, arms spread out.

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[Patty Eakes] His posing
was about getting them into a position

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where he could more easily have sex
with their dead bodies.

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'Cause you can imagine
the difficulty once somebody has died

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and rigor mortis sets in.

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[Bob Keppel] Ted continued
his defense of serial killers

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with an insight
about the Green River Killer

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that eventually proved correct.

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[♪ dark, eerie music playing]

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[Bob Keppel] Ted considered himself
the world's best serial killer profiler,

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so we played into his grandiosity

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and asked Ted to build a profile
of the Green River Killer.

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[Bob Keppel] Was he talking
about the Green River Killer or himself?

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It seemed the answer was both,

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when I recalled the interviews we'd had
with Ted's girlfriend, Liz Kloepfer.

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[tape recorder whirring]

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[Winn] Hundreds of people called in
about somebody they worked with,

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their cousin, you know, their boyfriend.

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And one of them, of course,
was Liz Kloepfer

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who called in about Ted Bundy.

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Having seen the composite sketch,

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several people said,
"That looks like Ted, doesn't it?"

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[Bob Keppel] In 1974,
Ted Bundy's girlfriend, Liz Kloepfer,

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had contacted King County detectives
to report her suspicions about Bundy.

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We brought Liz in for an interview.

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She told us
she and Ted met at a bar in 1969.

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She told us a lot of very positive things
about him.

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That he was good with her daughter.

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He went to school
and studied hard, had ambitions,

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but also, he had a dark side.

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He could be very strange and withdrawn.

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[Bob Keppel] She said
she'd noticed several similarities

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between the suspect killer's profile
and Ted.

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He too had a tan VW Beetle.

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And she remembered that on July 14th,

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the day
of the Lake Sammamish disappearances,

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he had returned
to her house in an angry mood.

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Bundy didn't have a dark entity

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that was causing him
to do the things that he did.

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He was who he was.
And he was someone who liked to kill.

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[Winn] Liz Kloepfer spoke about
the things that she saw in his room.

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He had Plaster of Paris.
He had women's clothing.

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He had burglary tools, masks,
ropes, handcuffs--

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stuff that just made her very suspicious.

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[Bob Keppel] Ted's girlfriend, Liz,
gave us three pictures of Ted

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to show to the Lake Sammamish witnesses.

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But none of them
could pick him out of a photo lineup,

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so the investigators put Bundy
back into the pile of "Ted" suspects.

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[Winn] But suddenly,
the killings in Seattle stopped.

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What we now know, of course,
is that Bundy had moved on to Utah.

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[♪ dark music playing]

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[Bob Keppel] In 1974,
Ted Bundy had enrolled

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at the University of Utah Law School

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in Salt Lake City,

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where he had an active social life.

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[Richard Kraske]
Through his charm and everything else,

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he joined the Mormon church.

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He was a great cook,
he'd have party--

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I mean, he just was a nice guy
to be around. They liked him.

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[camera clicks]

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[Dr. Salerno] He fits into a community
in that way.

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For him, what he really wanted, too,
is to deceive those people.

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[chuckles] That's how--
He enjoys deceiving people like that, too.

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[Bob Keppel] When the task force found out
Ted Bundy had moved to Salt Lake City,

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we gave the sheriff's office there a call

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to report his now ex-girlfriend Liz's
suspicions about Ted.

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Then we moved on.

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[♪ somber music playing]

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The last time I spent with him
on a summer vacation was in Utah.

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I would've been 15, 14.

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He sent me home early,

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uh, and I was really upset about that.

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And he wouldn't tell me
why he was sending me home early.

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He just said,
"Oh, I just got some really--

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bunch of important stuff I have to do."

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I said, "Ted, what the hell?
What's the deal?"

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So I-- I didn't wanna push it, I figured
he's not gonna tell me or whatever.

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He's just gonna--
he just wants me to go home.

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So, at the airport,
as we're waiting for the plane,

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he had this look
like he was gonna throw up.

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He was-- He was just looking like

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he was looking at something
really ter-- uh, troubling and disgusting.

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I think that he felt it coming on.

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He wanted to go rape and murder somebody

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and he didn't want me there
when he did it.

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[♪ dark, ominous music playing]

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He obviously had
the two sides of a coin kinda thing

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where you-- you couldn't see
the other side of the coin.

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Some things you just--
just stick in your head forever,

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and I'll never forget it.

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That was the last time I visited with him.

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[film strip whirring]

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[Bob Keppel] Nearly a year
after Ted Bundy moved to Utah,

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we received some shocking information.

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When I got to the office that day,
I felt a change in the air.

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The drudgery
of the daily routine was gone.

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It had been replaced
with a buzz of excitement.

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[Kathleen McChesney] When a detective
called me from Salt Lake City

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and said, "We have someone here
that's been arrested

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and his name is Ted Bundy,"

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it was a moment that I won't forget.

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[♪ uneasy music playing]

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[reporter] Ted Bundy
was arrested in Salt Lake City,

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being charged with possession
of burglary tools and evading an officer.

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[Bob Keppel] While we had
leads on some other suspects,

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we never had enough to charge anyone.

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But now we did,

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and his name was Ted Bundy.

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[♪ dramatic music playing]

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[Winn]
When he was arrested that night,

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he was cruising through a neighborhood
late at night.

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[Bob Keppel]
The trooper found a large ice pick,

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pieces of rope, a pry bar,

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a full-face ski mask,

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and a pair of handcuffs.

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[Dunn] When we found Bundy was in Utah,

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the Utah Sheriff's Office had a--
a fresh case named Carol DaRonch.

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[Bob Keppel]
Carol DaRonch had narrowly escaped

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from an attempted kidnapping
at a Utah mall.

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And for nine months,
police had been hunting for her attacker.

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[♪ dark music playing]

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[film strip whirring]

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[reporter] On the evening
of November the 8th, 1974,

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Carol DaRonch parked her car
in this parking lot at the Fashion Mall.

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Shortly after, began what she now calls,
her personal nightmare.

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[♪ dark, ominous music playing]

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[Winn] Bundy said, uh,
"Excuse me,

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"someone is trying to break into your car
out in the parking lot.

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Do you have a such-and-such car?"

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She was reluctant at first.
She asked to see a badge.

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He flashed something at her,
which was a fake badge, of course.

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He gets her into the car
and gets out a crowbar and handcuffs,

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and tries to simultaneously hit her--

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He gets one hand in one of the handcuffs,
but she fights him off.

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She tumbles outta the car,
weeping and crying.

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We know all of this
because she lived to tell the tale.

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[Bob Keppel] When Carol DaRonch got away,
she set in motion a chain of events

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that led to Ted Bundy sitting before me
in Florida State Prison.

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[film strip whirring]

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He was embarrassed by this failure
and quick to point out

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the Green River Killer was making
the same type of mistakes.

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[Bob Keppel] Surprisingly, numerous
serial killers have been brought down

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by an unlikely source:

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a living witness,
the one who got away.

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And now, Carol DaRonch
was about to help put Bundy away.

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[camera clicks]

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[♪ tense music playing]

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Utah was able to-- to get together
the case on Bundy,

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put him in a lineup.

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[camera clicks]

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[Bob Keppel] On October 3rd,
after Carol DaRonch identified Bundy,

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he was arrested for aggravated kidnapping
and attempted murder.

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That's when the story hit the newspapers.

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[Rich Bundy] Uh, I remember quite vividly,
my mom's on the phone

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talking to the police or him,

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and I could tell something was--

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something very serious was going on.

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She said, "Your brother's been arrested.

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He's in jail under suspicion
of kidnapping."

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Then I just, I thought, "Oh, shoot,
this is really, really serious."

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So, you know, I'm a kid of,

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uh, 14 and a half and, uh,

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uh, dealing with his hero
being accused of being the total opposite.

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[camera clicks]

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[♪ tense music playing]

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But I still was not fully comprehending

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that he was a scumbag,
murdering piece of [bleep].

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[Bob Keppel] While Bundy was in jail
awaiting his trial

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for the attempted kidnapping
of Carol DaRonch,

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investigators in other states
started to connect him

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to unsolved murders
of women in their jurisdictions.

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The cases against Bundy were stacking up.

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Keppel realized, "Good grief!
This is the same victim profile!

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"These are the same types of victims!

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It's the same killer!"

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It was Bundy.

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[♪ dark music playing]

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[film strip whirring]

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[Bob Keppel] As murder cases against Bundy
were building in several different states,

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he stood trial for the Carol DaRonch
kidnapping charges in Utah.

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[reporter] On March 1st, 1976,

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Third District Judge Stewart Hanson Jr.

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found Bundy guilty
of second-degree kidnapping.

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He was given a one to 15-year sentence
at the Utah State Prison.

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[Dave Keppel] I don't think
it turned out the way Dad would've wanted.

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He would've wanted
to bring Bundy in himself,

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but they didn't have the--
the evidence at the time.

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[Bob Keppel] Back in Washington,

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we were collecting
mountains of circumstantial evidence.

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But we still lacked
hard evidence, like hair and fibers,

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needed to actually charge Bundy here.

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[McChesney] We knew
we just had to keep searching,

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so we could bring it to a jury
in Washington State and--

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and get a conviction.

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[Birnes]
Knowing you have a suspect is one thing.

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Proving that person is guilty is another.

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One of the things I packed around
for years

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was guilt over not being able
to get him charged in our jurisdiction.

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I was just holding inside
self-condemnation and guilt

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for not being able
to make Bundy's case here,

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uh, because, you know, that was my job,

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and I came up short in my job.

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My job was to solve cases.

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[♪ somber music playing]

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I resigned as a homicide detective
because I thought that...

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I had failed.

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Failed myself
and failed the victims' families

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for not being able
to get Bundy charged.

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So that was-- that was something
I packed around for a while.

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[Bob Keppel] If it can be said

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that serial killers
make victims of entire communities,

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then, in our own way, Roger and I
became two of Ted Bundy's victims.

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And he was far from done with us.

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[♪ tense music playing]

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[film strip whirring]

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Colorado became the first state
to charge Bundy with murder

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for a case involving a nurse who vanished
from a ski resort in Aspen.

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[reporter] While serving time
in the Utah State Prison,

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Bundy was charged with murdering a nurse
near Aspen, Colorado.

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[Bob Keppel] After his arrest,

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police searched Bundy's VW
and found a hair.

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It was from Caryn Campbell's head.

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[camera clicks]

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That hair was the physical evidence
investigators needed

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to charge Bundy with murder in Colorado.

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[camera clicks]

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[Dunn] Bundy was in custody in Utah
until he was extradited to Colorado.

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[reporter] Bundy was brought into court
early this morning.

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[Bob Keppel] Bundy relished the spotlight
as he was being extradited to Colorado.

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It made my skin crawl
to see the little zit holding court.

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00:40:49,738 --> 00:40:52,533
I wondered
whether I would ever get the chance

477
00:40:52,616 --> 00:40:54,201
to burst Ted's bubble.

478
00:40:54,952 --> 00:40:58,581
I hoped so,
if all went according to plan.

479
00:40:59,248 --> 00:41:01,959
I don't like being locked up
for something I didn't do,

480
00:41:02,042 --> 00:41:03,502
and I don't like my liberty taken away,

481
00:41:03,586 --> 00:41:05,129
and I don't like
being treated like an animal

482
00:41:05,212 --> 00:41:07,840
and I don't like-- like people
walking around and ogling me

483
00:41:07,923 --> 00:41:11,177
like I'm some sort of weirdo,
because I'm not.

484
00:41:11,260 --> 00:41:13,179
[interviewer]
You think about getting outta here?

485
00:41:14,054 --> 00:41:17,308
Well... [chuckles]
Well, legally, sure.

486
00:41:17,391 --> 00:41:18,392
[chuckles]

487
00:41:20,227 --> 00:41:21,687
[♪ tense music playing]

488
00:41:21,770 --> 00:41:23,606
[film strip whirring]

489
00:41:27,985 --> 00:41:29,862
[Winn] The courthouse in Aspen.

490
00:41:30,613 --> 00:41:33,699
Bundy was supposedly working
on his defense in the law library

491
00:41:33,782 --> 00:41:35,868
to defend himself
in the Caryn Campbell killing.

492
00:41:37,286 --> 00:41:41,457
While he was there, he struck up
a camaraderie with his jailers

493
00:41:42,249 --> 00:41:44,084
and gained the trust of these guys,

494
00:41:44,168 --> 00:41:46,587
who eventually let him
wander farther and farther away.

495
00:41:46,670 --> 00:41:48,756
[reporter]
He had gone to a small law library

496
00:41:48,839 --> 00:41:51,884
in the back of the courtroom,
out of sight of his guard.

497
00:41:51,967 --> 00:41:54,720
It was then that he jumped
out of a second-story window.

498
00:41:54,803 --> 00:41:57,348
[Winn] A woman happened
to be coming into the courthouse

499
00:41:57,431 --> 00:41:58,724
and she asked the clerk at the front,

500
00:41:58,807 --> 00:42:01,268
"Is it normal for someone
to jump out the second-story window

501
00:42:01,352 --> 00:42:02,353
of the courthouse?"

502
00:42:03,729 --> 00:42:06,315
[reporter]
Convicted Utah kidnapper, Theodore Bundy,

503
00:42:06,398 --> 00:42:09,318
has escaped
from an Aspen, Colorado courtroom

504
00:42:09,401 --> 00:42:12,154
and remains, at this hour,
the subject of a manhunt.

505
00:42:14,823 --> 00:42:19,870
[speaker] I remember they were showing
Green River Task Force picking up bones,

506
00:42:19,954 --> 00:42:23,499
not knowing that
that was our sister, Tammie.

507
00:42:25,709 --> 00:42:28,712
[reporter] Bundy's escape
bordered on a Houdini escapade.

508
00:42:28,796 --> 00:42:30,506
[Winn] The fact
that he escaped a second time

509
00:42:30,589 --> 00:42:34,176
remains a criminal moral failing
on the part of the authorities.

510
00:42:34,927 --> 00:42:38,305
He's driving across the whole country
to Florida.

511
00:42:39,014 --> 00:42:40,182
What's in Florida?

512
00:42:40,266 --> 00:42:43,852
Just like University of Washington:
sorority houses.

513
00:42:44,562 --> 00:42:47,606
[survivor]
Ted Bundy never left a victim alive

514
00:42:48,190 --> 00:42:50,109
and I knew he was gonna kill me.

515
00:42:50,192 --> 00:42:53,529
[reporter 1] Accused killer Theodore Bundy
was captured early this morning.

516
00:42:53,612 --> 00:42:56,156
[reporter 2] Theodore Bundy
could be the King County Ted.

517
00:42:56,240 --> 00:42:57,992
At that point,
there were only six days left

518
00:42:58,075 --> 00:42:59,326
before he was gonna die.

519
00:42:59,410 --> 00:43:01,120
[Ted Bundy] You can look at me
as a hypocrite

520
00:43:01,203 --> 00:43:03,038
because I've waited so long,
but the fact is,

521
00:43:03,122 --> 00:43:04,498
better late than never.